Steal from a “white man and get rich quick?”

Posted: June 22, 2011 in Uncategorized

I feel pity for the younger generation of today in Zimbabwe because for them, “stealing from a white man” is their new game in town to create wealth. Oh, wait a minute they are also taught to steal from a black man. Well, at least it saves working hard to make an honest living. They have role models who are doing it successfully and the question is “Why not them?” Sounding funny but a serious matter, this is how things are done in Mugabe’s Zimbabwe and for all we know, the future is leading us to conflict. But, I think otherwise. It’s not too late. It’s very much possible to move on from this shameful life. Seeking integrity is the definition of stable society with men and women who are proud of themselves. As for them, they know hard work is the key to success.

Take for example, late Evans Ndebele, the first black man inZimbabweto own a commercial airline. Unlike many of those stealing in the name of economic justice, Evans was a war veteran who found it rather moral to work for what he owned in his life and I guess he was a happy man at the end. Unlike the rest of them who are looting the farms and businesses, he taught us that it is very much possible to succeed without grabbing what others have worked for in their lifetimes. The question we ask today is, how long will the cycle of grab and own will continue to repeat  itself in our society. Seeing that land was taken by force from a white man, black and white men are lined up to lose their businesses under the new indigenous laws, maybe when we return home, we will also want to take land from those who were given in our tribal trust lands. Seeing the cycle never end?

They are back to beat the hell out of our families!

The green bombers. I hear the bases are now being set across the country for these rootless young people to beat our relatives to save a tired ruthless cunning Old Bugger. Shame on you militias; is violence really the answer to your problems? I am sure one day they will run when the citizens decide to say “enough is enough”. As for the old Mugabe, I think its time for him to buy a white vest seeing it has become a symbol of capture for the world’s dictators. I remember seeing Saddam Hussein being pulled out of a hole wearing a white vest. Laurent Gbagbo ofIvory Coastwas wearing one when he was arrested. I think Mugabe can hear the buzz in Libya and soon, he might consider ordering a vest from his masters in China.

The dogs are disappearing. What the hell is going on?

It’s the Chinese. They are exploiting our resources. They are beating our people. Now, instead of our dogs protecting us, we are now protecting them from the Chinese who are here to eat everything we own. Poor dogs, who would have thought they will end up in the pot? Go on bastard, Mutambara thinks it’s the right way to go. He must be mad, that party-less leader.

The key to peace is born!

“Falanga (beatings under the feet), sexual torture or rape, electric shock, choking, burns and mutilation are some of the most common forms of physical torture that will resonate with Zimbabweans, as they have been most frequently used by Zanu (PF) and state operatives against those accused of supporting the “opposition”. – These are the words of a good friend of mine, Godfrey Phiri, who is picking up the pieces and working hard to restore peace of mind to many in his project, the Tree of Life. He deserves support and please read more on this link:

Well, what do you think Zimbabweans should do to stop the violence in the society as we approach elections?

Till next time..

  1. David Alexander Hough says:

    The problem is, although this is great as a dream, the state has the resources of oppression, and Mugabe has shown an Assad like determination to use them. This makes organising resistance and change very difficult, especially as the official opposition’s role in government, whilst understandable to give them a foothold, makes them weak when speaking out. In the end, it is probably only when Mugabe dies that change can happen, because as we’ve seen, the international community is reluctant to act robustly against the regime.

    As for stealing from black and white alike, this generation has been brought up under a regime that does exactly that, and therefore they see that as the way to get anything.

  2. Mathula says:

    I agree with you when you say it is difficult to organize resistance. This is when we start looking at ways to assist the qualities of resistance leaders to learn from other countries where successful strategies have been implemented. On stealing from black and white..I think the challenge will come to reality when change actually happens. It will be interesting to see how we transform the society’s thinking from the current chaotic one to a more democratic approach of doing things. The idea is to continue interacting and am sure people can pick a few ideas from these discussions!..thanks David!

    • nyasha says:

      I think it is critical for Africa and Zimbabweans in particular to seperate these two critical issues and adress each one on its own merits. Empowerment and indegenisation is not really stealing, it is in fact an attempt to correct years of theft, and plunder by the white man of African resources and people. The mismanagement of the process is a critical but sepeate issue and combining the two in our discussions will result in the proverbial ‘throwing the child away with the bath water’. It is neccesary therefore that we focus on the process, the problem and the solution in order to assist ourgovernment in coming up with policies that will sustain our people going forward. So do not feel pity foryoung Zimbabweans attempting to get a piece of their country back instead understand the process, offer suggestions for improvement and hopefully join the fray and start taking ownership of your country.

      • Mathula says:

        Thanks Nyasha for your comments. I am open to the idea of suggestions for improvement of our society. However, the problem here is the way things are done. I understand the aspect of empowerment but in this case, things are being stolen in Zimbabwe. This applies to blacks as well and my concern is there seems to be no remorse from the people doing the stealing and it, in the long run encourages theft as a way of living. The whole thing undermines property laws and investors are getting worried whether they will actually own anything if they invest in Zimbabwe. I remember in the early 80s, a lot of property was taken by force/stolen from Zapu by the ruling Zanu PF. To this date, they are still trying to get their properties. There are similarities where a Businessman Mutumwa Mawere was literally chased away from his business and to date, he is struggling to recover his properties. What is saddening is the people high up in the chain use young people to do the invasion of properties and they get kicked out when the big fish move in. The case of Diamonds in Marange is another example. The Ministry of finance has no records of any meaningful transactions happening there. The locals are not benefiting but certainly the Chinese and other buyers are. Of a major worry again is the partisan nature of all empowerment deals. The thing is if we don’t speak, we lose. So for me, as you say, engaging on the matter is key and i have raised my concerns. To think about it, I am yet to see a Youth National Fund that seeks to benefit even the rural young activists who lose their time for school doing the property invasions. If maybe that’s the way things are done in Zimbabwe, I guess we also need to org anise groups of young people to invade properties on our behalf and we pay them in cash for their services. So the difficulty we have today is there seem to be no proper channels to encourage participation which in turn will increase transparency leading to better management of processes. I am sure there are examples in the world where economic redress to empower locals is done in an orderly manner!* My views*, What do you think?

  3. Rejoice Ngwenya says:

    We liberals are [meant to be] tolerant of other races. The Chinese – or at least their government – pays no homage to human rights. They do business with all the rogues in Africa – North Sudan, CAR, Zimbabwe – wherever there are ‘resources’. Back home, they kick the s***t out of employees, pay peanuts and leave large craters in the ground in pursuit of diamonds. Who gave them the blank cheque? Perennial fellow HR offenders ZANU-PF. Meanwhile at State House, the clarion call is about ‘Zimbabwe will never be a colony again’ while Chinese play ping pong with our kinsman [and dogs]. Now, where would I start? Legitimacy in investment. If a Chinese wants to be legit in a liberal Zim government, we will only allow them to invest in manufacture and mining provided their investment is not less than one million USD and they create not less than 200 jobs, and we will do an Environment Impact Assessment PLUS Human Rights Impact Assessment on any of their projects, on a TEMPORARY work permit.

  4. Mathula says:

    True true Mr Ngwenya. The Chinese, like any other nations are welcome to invest in Zimbabwe. the concerns, as you also raise them are the way they do their business. A recent article on Newsday quoted a Zanu PF MP complaining that the Chinese are beating Zimbabweans at places of work and eating their dogs at home. This is unacceptable and it was really saddening to hear a person like Mutambara suggesting that our complaints about the Chinese are meant to speak for the West and Europe. I wonder whether the guy is still normal or he just says things for the sake of saying something. It is sad to see that the very same Zanu PF that suggested locals were being harassed by the white farmers is allowing the Chinese to harass our people with impunity. When people call for regime change, you can understand where they are coming from, Thanks!

    • Nyasha says:

      Quite a good analyis but unfortunately combining issues thus masking the forces at play. We could disect each issue and attempt get to the bottom of each but unfortunately i am not qualified to comment on the Mawere issue due to limited knowledge on the financial engeneering done in acquiring the properties in the first place. 1)My limited understanding was that he got a government guarantee to secure the assets, the only ever individual to get that. I am not sure what agreements or concessions were made for that to happen but suspect that the subsequent nationalisation of his assets could be a result of illegal dealings behind closed doors coming out in the open. We always need to go back to to the beginning as it may provide a bit of light on the present. If there is anyone out there who knows the facts i would appreciate if they make some further contributions to guide the discussion.
      2) Properties stolen from Zapu. These are critica issues that need to be adresses as they undermine the unity between tha parties and i feel that current ex Zapu members in Zanu should take this up and resolve as openly s possible and the neccesary action taken. I am encouraged by Jonh Nkomo’s call in todays herald to for public dialogue on that era. these issues should not be ignored while they fester in the nation’ssubconsciousl only to manifest themeself in behaviours incongruent with building a single nation.
      3)Property rights: I fully support the idea of title to property and constitutional protection of that title. I will begin to sound like a broken record, but how the property acquired is of criticall importance. We will definitely have a probelm in the future with properties that are being illegally acquired by the current regime as much as we have problems with properties that were illegally acquired by the whites from our forefathers. I recently had a nasty expirience where some mining claims that i had registered were reclaimed a they apparently belonged to some Italian guy who has never set foot in Zimbabwe but benefits from his grandfathers estate which pegged the mineral rights in 1922. Who the does it belong to. A grandson of some Italian cistizen who has no connection with the country except some pieceof paper that his grandfather bequethed to him in a will or the Zimbabwean community. ‘Hanzi Mhosva hairovi’ but there appears to be a concerted effort by the international community to obliterate from memory the massive theft and looting that occured during colonisation and still continues as we speak.
      4)Diamonds: We need transaparecy in this sector and a clear policy on how these will benefit the country. We could consider the Botswana models which seems to have benefited te country quite well and implement that. Politicization of the fields will only lead to conflict and that we need to avoid at all costs as we are aware of what diamonds hav done to other African countries. This is time for rational thought and practical action to avoid a situation where we create warloads that can easily topple the country unrest. All parties including the KP and Zanu sould consider the needs of the country and focus on how to unlock value for the country instead of playing politics with potentially flamable situation.
      5) Need to open up discusion on the chineese and foreign investment, have some interesting thoughts there ….

  5. Mathula says:

    @ Nyasha. Thanks for a sober analysis on the matters raised. Am afraid I have to agree with most of what you say in this one. The main point for me is the fact that you have set a pace for proper analysis on matters that affect us as Zimbabweans, which probably is the reason why I decided to start blogging,,getting people together to discuss and learn from each other about issues that affect our future as Zimbabweans. With regards to the Mawere issue, I believe there was proof he presented to parliament that the government was at fault. unfortunately, the matter seems to have disappeared from the public fora. It was going to be a matter which could have helped many to understand the dealings of the government in relation to property laws, but hey, its off the radar for now. maybe someone will surface to shade light on this one. Re: Zapu properties. Its interesting to see John Nkomo calling for a public debate on the issues raised and we await the way-forward as you say,,,its critical for Zimbabweans to engage each other on burning issues in order for us to work together for a better future. On property rights, I think Zimbabwe has no problem at times when it comes to constitutional arrangements on things. the problem becomes politics where politicians deliberately break the law knowing that they are above the law. This is a political problem that cuts across every aspect of life and it needs a political solution whereby parties agree to put the country first in order to address all these matters with public support. I am sorry about the problems you had regarding your mining claims,,I am sure we will solve the problem in future. Transparency is key in the Diamonds issue and I saw the MDC today is calling the KPA to uphold the limits made on Zimbabwe in regards to selling them. I am not sure about the strategy hear and its a very sensitive issue but am sure someone will she light. On the Chinese, I agree, I will get back to you in this regard and am sure a few friends would want to join..!

  6. Dubex says:

    The issues suggested as corrective measures about the situation in that country go as far as scratching the surface. The fundamental change needed in Zimbabwe is a two state solution. The system that Zanu PF and Mugabe created and perfected from the system that was left by the minority settler regime of Ian Smith through colonialism must go. A radical system that will go as far as the restoration of the two states that once existed before colonialism, that is Mthwakazi and Mashonaland, existing side by side in peace, is the greatest solution that should now be explored.

    • Nyasha says:

      i have heard thi discussion on lots of forum but am still a bit lost, how does the above resolve the countries problems?

      • Dubex says:

        First and foremost Nyasha we need to make a diagnosis of the bigger problem that is facing Zimbabwe before zeroing down into the minute issues of accountability and responsibility. After the diagnosis of the problem we then find solutions to the bigger problem. I strongly suggest a step by step approach to the problem. The outcome of the diagnosis of the Zimbabwe problem is that colonialism merged two distinct and different countries together without the consent of the people from these two countries. This has been a source of the massive problems we experience today. The almagamation has been the mother of all problems in Zimbabwe. The two state solution will resolve issues of resource allocation without anyone using tribal majoritarianism to thwart, subvert and destroy any attempts for the countries to develop themselves the way they see fit. It will bring governments and resources alike closer to the people. The issue of tension between the south and the north will be resolved quickly and avert catastrophic consequencies that can befall Zimbabwe.

        If it turns out that those who want to spoil it for themselves and retard their development in whatever shape or form and having the responsibility to do so in their own respective countries, then they will have no one to blame but themselves. The inhabitants of each country will be the authors of their destiny. What is happening now is the opposite. We have a Mashonaland State exercising its tribal majoritaniasm power as well as its state organs to rape, maim and kill Mthwakazi citizens in their thousands while at the sametime affording itself the luxury opportunities of exploiting resources from Mthwakazi for its own benefit as well as to further its own oppressive and exploitation nest. This situation has led us to the establishment of such organisations as MAGGEMM, uMhlahlo and now the radical MLF after more than 100 years of patience and hope. The real people who have contributed to the establishment of these organisations, through their oppressive ways, are the white colonialists of the 1890s and black colonialists of 1980 to the present. Therefore the solution is traced to history and what is happening at the present moment in time since 1980.

        We can talk of policies, parties and so on and so forth but the fact of the matter is that a very bad system has been put in place for such a long time and this system is being nurtured and watered. MDC-T politics and that of Zanu PF are no different. MDC-T shout democracy but practices tribalism and nepotism and violence. They are focused on removing Mugabe and Zanu PF from power and hardly do not have any robust policies to change the system of governance in that country. Morgan is another dictator in waiting and his supporters harbour dangerous views about those who come from Mthwakazi. You will realise that when it comes to Mthwakazi issues Zanu PF and MDC-T have a common language and that common language is the language of oppression and viewing any Mthwakazi who do not subscribe to their idealogy as an enemy of the Shona state, as a dissident and one that needs to be crushed. Our historical figures king Mzilikazi and Lobengula are the enemies of this state and by all means look at how the history of Zimbabwe is bastardized and efforts made to rewrite it. ZimuNdebere Joshua Nkomo became the enemy of this sate. Lookout Masuku, Sydney Malunga, Mthandazo Ndema and Dabengwa became the enemies of this state. What about Welshman Ncube and Gibson Sibanda? Even in death, Sibanda remained the enemy of the state. Welshman is having it big time from these oppressors but he is lucky to be alive as the Zuma relationship is giving him protection and the label of the ‘untouchable’ but still they are blocking him from playing a pivotal role in the politics of that country. This is the reason why Mutambara, Mugabe and Morgan(the three M oppressors) can easily find common ground to prevent Welshman playing a pivotal role in that country. If Zuma had not been there, Welshman could be history in the politics of that country.

        So the time has come to change the system and revert to our original countries by any means possible.

      • Nyasha says:

        @ Dube, am not sure i understand your conclusion that colonialism merged two distinct countries together, my understanding was that they actually did the opposite by splitting Africa into small little portions and shared these among the colonizers. The one consequence was that Africa is now a disjointed market both economically and politically. We have too many small sovereign nations that do not have any economic basis for survival and are just political creations as opposed to distinct economic entities this serving only the interests of the politicians and not improving the well being of people. You will agree that China and India prosperity at the moment is primarily a numbers game, thay have such a huge captive market for labor and goods that thay can and have slowly leveraged on that to become the super powers that they are. On that basis creating another state in Southern Africa cannot make economic sense given the problems that we are facing trying to create a common market in the region. I seincerely believe that we can only become an economic force as the region once we elininate the artificial boarers that seperate us and become a seamless economic entity and creation of other barriers at the moment will only serve the purpose of power hungry politicians who crave political sovereinity as opposed to the economic well being of their people. So the question then becomes that of governance and structures of which i believe that the current representatives of the Mthwakazi region if i may call it that may have failed to articulate the region’s needs. Issues such as Gukurahundi are key talking points that should be adressed to heal the wounds created and efforts must be done to ensure that welath is distributed fairly. I grew up in Byo myself despite that i am originallly from Mashonaland, my parents are based there as w speak and it pains me that the city has just stagnated and is just a shell of its former self. The problem is not however unique to Bulawayo, look at Gweru, Kadoma, Chegutu etc. All these have seen very little economic activity in the lasy few years, mirroring the country as a whole. My humble opinion is that the starting point is unity then governance and accountability.

  7. Dubex says:

    nyasha thanks for your response. I must say your arguments on the lack of the need for a Mthwakazi state do not hold water. Let us look at Europe where there is now a common euro market. Does it mean that now in Europe there are no states…no German , no France, no Portugal? These states exist geographically and indeed have their internal or domestic affairs that deal with domestic issues while they are equally opening their borders economically to the eurozone market. What is being eliminated is economic borders to enhance trade but states remain in existence. That as it may me, it must be noted that the eurozone project is in a precarious state and might disintegrate.

    The existence of a Mthwakazi state will not hinder the establishmnent of an afrozone and neither will it hinder Mthwakazi taking part in it. We have small states such as Lesotho, Swaziland and to a certain extent Botswana in southern Africa. Are you saying that the establishment of an afrozone should see the complete obliteration of these states? Do you view the existence of Southern Sudan as counter productive? The southern Sudanese are soon going to have power and control of how they are going to play their role in Africa and on the international stage without Northern Sudan subjugating them and exploiting their resources to feed the beast that is northern Sudan. This is exactly what should happen in Zimbabwe. Mthwakazi should pull out and stop feeding the beast that is Mashonaland while its people go hungry.

    The demise of Bulwayo and Mthwakazi did not start in the last few years as cities like Kadoma and a few that you mentioned. It started in the 80’s up to date. How do you justify the closure of 87 companies in the second largest city of a country? Something is fundamentally wrong and this is something that has not happened over night but over a period of 31 years.

    I think to blame the people of Mthwakazi of failing to articulate the needs of the state of Mthwakazi is rather unfair, insensitive and unjust and indeed is the cause of all the tension that continues to prevail as we speak. Everything is in the open. There is nothing that needs articulation. Even then, our people have made calls for the redress of these imbalances since 1980. Prominet leaders such as Khayisa, Mabhena, Malinga, Malunga and several pressure groups and civic leaders in the region have led calls for issues to be addressed but to no avail. Those who have done so have either been murdered or accused of tribalism, regionalism or threatened with death. The location of the problem can not be in Mthwakazi but to a system that has been anchored on tribal majoritanianism and fascism, as well as historically, to the colonialism that merged two distinct states together without the consent of both Mthwakazi and Mashonaland people.

    Mthwakazi needs the restoration of its state and then it will have its right to decide on its fate and its role in the afrozone. That right should not be on the shoulders of those who use brute force and tribal majoritanianism to disempower, subgugate, thwart and subvert the will and aspirations of the nationals of Mthwakazi.

  8. Nyasha says:

    Lesotho, Botswana and Swaziland are typical examples of political creations as stated in my earlier argurement. They were really creations by the British during the Anglo- Boer war, all being former British protectorates. These countries economies is hugely dependant on South Africa to the extent that they have become a tax burden on the South African economy through the revenue sharing formula which effectively means that SA is subsidizing the countries budgets. It is commonly agreed that without this, Lesetho and Swaziland would be broke, implying that the countries are unable to stand on their own feet and are therefore effectively annexures of SA. My honest opinion is that they do not deserve to be seperate countries expect maybe Botswana who seem to have made significant strides towards some form of economic independence. I am amused by the excitement around closure of 87 companies in Bulawayo, which number i know is an understatement by the way. Far more companies have been closed,and not only in Bulawayo but the country over and if you look at the profile of the closures you will understand that it is not even about Zimababwe but its a worldwide phenomena. According to Welshman Ncube 19 of the companies are in textile and clothing indutsry. Companies in this sector have been closing and Europe and America has all but given up on these as they cannot compete with China.South africa is grappling with its own textile indusrty as it is increasingly under threat from cheaper imports from the EAST. 63 of te companies are in the Motor Industry, i am actually struggling with this one as i worked in that Industry and there is no way Byo could have 63 companies in that unless we are including all the corner shops that sell parts imported from SA. These were really opportunistic creations that leveraged on their ability to source foreign currency to import parts which the established players could not easily do. Effectively these guys were forex dealers and now that forex is no longer an issue there is no need for them. My point is these closures have noting to do with the Mashonaland politics but are economic realities due to our lack the global competitiveness and changes in economic landscape. Companies are closing throughout the whole country as the country is basically not competitive in a lot of ways and the world has become global, traditional methods of protecting us from competition will not work as we do not have the capacity to support ineffeciencies in industry. Zimbabwean industries were basically built through protectionist policies and have never been able to compete in a global setting and we need to admit to that and crititically analyse our competencies as a country, identify industries that we are good at and invest in those. Emotional attachments to our former manufacturing industry will not help us. Lets take a cold hard look at the facts and come up with practical realistic solutions to our problems instead of populist economic policies. I do not think that we will ever have a textile industry in Zim and thats fact, most manufacturing is gone( which was all located in Byo) simply because we cannot compete and the world has moved on while we locked ourselves in self imposed exile for the past 10 years. I am not Ndebele so may not understand the undercurrents in your argument, but i grew up i Byo and there is very little tribalism there, i also work in harare and there is also very little tribalism especially institutionally. I have not been to the politiburo yet so cannot comment on that but i feel that tribalism is has little input into the wealth distribution of the Country. There is need for proper identification of the problem so that we can come up with the right solutions.

  9. Dubex says:

    Nyasha your arguement on tribalism or lack of it in Zimbabwe is as lame as a duck. Equally your refusal to acknowledge its devastating effects in Mthwakazi under the fascist regime of Robert Gabriel ‘Jesus’ Mugabe is equally as lame as a dodo. Even Mugabe himself and his Zanu PF functionaries have cheekily acknowledged the destruction of Bulawayo and Mthwakazi and have thus shed crocodile tears over it.

    The 5th Brigade that left over 20 000 Mthwakazi people dead, the first genocide ever to be committed in Southern Africa, speaks volumes of the tribalism that is in that country and yet you gleefully state that there is ‘little tribalism’ in Zimbabwe. I will therefore not spend much time on that as it is a clear as day light and as real as being human indeed. It can not be subjected to debate but rather acknowledgement of the problem and the scale of it all. Mthwakazi is emerging from a holocaust on the genocide front, on the economic subjugation front, on the cultural strangulation front, on the educational discimination front, on development and opportunities for development and many other fronts that have long been meticulously executed by the Mashonaland state under the command of Robert Gabriel Mugabe and his fascist lackeys.

    There is no doubt that the global economic disaster has had a massive impact on those areas that have been left exposed for so long in Mthwakazi. Most of the companies that close in Byo did not do so today but yesterday well before the global economic disaster commenced. What of CSC and many others? Did the Cold Storage Commission close yesterday? The politics of the mrginalization of Mthwakazi and the recent hondo yeminda politics of farm seizures and political violence coupled with years of neglect of Mthwakazi over 31 years of Mugabe’s misrule, has dealt a devastating and a final blow to Mthwakazi.

    Therefore to limit the factors that have led to the destruction of Mthwakazi to the recent international economic events and neglecting the realities of the politics of tribalism practiced in that country is rather narrow and lacking depth in the appraisal of the situation. The factors are historical, very much political and indeed dovetailed to the recent economic events. The recent global economic disaster is just an add on to a situation that was already worse and beyond salvation. This is why Byo is feeling the greatest heat than other areas in the country.

    • nyasha says:

      I think you may have misread my interest in this particular topic, i genuinely wanted to get an appreaciation of the issues at hand but so far we seem to be going round and round in circles as everytime i analyse your reasons or present my understanding of the issues you introduce totally different ones. I sense however the core issue may be the atrocities committed in the eary days of our independence. I do not condone such activities and you are right to cal it genocide because thats what it is. You however do not create a new country because of genocide, you deal with the perpetrators and ensure that they are held accountabe for their activities. This unfortunaty has not been done and there is an urgent need for us to create a patform for this to happen as feel that without this happening, there will always be an undercurrent of hate and mistrust between the parties involved. I will not attempt to explain CSC conspiracy theory but wi just highlight that our country has been and continues to be badly managed and there are many examples of this mismangement dotted around the country, ARDA, NRZ, ZUPCO, ZISCO etc. these were perfectly viable companies at independence which we systematically mismanaged and looted unti they are just shells of their former self. I feel for the Mtwakazi lobby to be taken seriously it needs to collect facts, FACTS about institutional tribalism and where its exists, FACTS about government policies that disenfranchise the region, FACTS about deiberate acts of the government that act in the interest of one group and excludes any other group. the lobby then then needs to come up with measures on how these can be redressed, affirmative action is a possibiity if there has been systematic discrimination in education and employment, government support etc. The important thing for me is to have FACTS and stop analsying issues superficially and attributing the wrong cause and effect hypothesis. I really did not have a side on this issue and i must say you have not managed to convince me of the need for a seperate state, but then you do not need to convince me……..

  10. Mathula says:

    I am glad people can engage on such issues that remain sensitive but neccessary to the wayfoward of our beloved Zimbabe. it is key for me to understand all the neccessary tools for co existance and thus would encourage calm in all our discussions so as not to lose focus..thanks

  11. Nyaradzo says:

    Nyasha, we got independance in 1980. Indigenisation shoudl have been done then. We were dishonest to ourselves and to the few whites who stayed on and were committed to Zimbabwe. Indigenisation at this stage is simply a form of racially motivated theft, that if we are truthful verges on genocide in some instrances. What was done to Mawere, Makamba and Kuruneri was simply jealousy

    • nyasha says:

      You are right to say that indegenisation should have been done in 1980, however at that point we had a heavily negotitated transitionary constitution that protected the interests of the white farmers and companies for the first 10 years. Promises were made to support the new government to indegenise on a willing buyer and willing seller basis with the support of our former colonial masters. Money for this process was promised but never delivered. I do not agree that indegenisation is a form of racially motivated theft. It is in fact a form of trying to recover property that stolen along racial lines. The white community in zimbabwe are benefactors of not only a systematic stealing of the countries resources, both human and natural but a deliberate effort to supress any black economic actvity (business or intellectual). I do not believe that there is any way where this can be reversed without a radical and decisive reallocation of those same resources. The process to dienfranchise the black person took over a hundred years with the support of a multitude of laws that restricted the ability of blacks participate in meaningful economic activity and to develop themsleves in any way, we cannot expect the reveresal of this process to be painless or take only 32 years on the back of just one piece of legislation and a bunch of old guys who have unfortunately lost credibility.

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